Why Chris Bosh Should Choose The Bulls

January 8, 2010 at 9:00 am | Chicago Bulls, NBA
By: Stormin' Norman Disciple

nba_g_bosh_268x350Yesterday I posted a rumor that the Bulls may be in talks with the Raptors for Chris Bosh. Apparently my contentions that the trade did not make sense for Toronto and the rumor was completely unsubstantiated were not enough to placate bitter Raptors fans who took it upon themselves to attack my writing as “a work of fiction” in the comments of the story.  Anyways, after a bunch of inane comments about why Bosh shouldn’t come to Chicago and will definitely stay in Toronto, one commenter finally broke through with an intelligent, reasoned, must-read analysis of Chris Bosh’s situation from Bosh’s standpoint.  Here is what reader Proud American had to say:

What you’re witnessing here folks are angry Canadians who lash out whenever besmirches the Raptors or FC Toronto (They know the Blue Jays suck and will forever battle with Baltimore for 4th place in the AL East.) They might be all nice and friendly backpacking through Europe with their maple leaf patches sewn onto their satchels, but mention a trade rumor without said rumor coming from Bryan Colangelo or Andrea Bargnani’s father, and prepare to have your integrity and intelligence questioned.

If I were in CB4’s shoes I would be looking at 2 things: how much money would I keep after taxes and my supporting cast.
Canadian Federal and Ontario Provincial income tax rate for millionaires = 40%
US Federal and IL state income taxes = 36.95%
US Federal and FL (0%) state income taxes = 35%
So yes, he’d probably rather play in Florida, not only because of the weather, the clothing or lack thereof, and the pocketing of a lot more money after taxes.

In terms of supporting casts:
In Toronto after signing Hedo to the big contract last offseason, Bosh will be looking at the tall, athletic supporting cast of Turkoglu, Bargnani, DeRozan and Calderon/Jack at the point. Unfortunately, if he resigns for the max, he may still only be stuck at .500 for the next few years while Turkoglu ages and stays further and further away from the basket.
In Miami, Bosh is only guaranteed to have Michael “I told myself to go to Rehab” Beasley, Daequan Cook, and Mario Chalmers. They’d be favorite to win the NCAA Tournament 3 years ago, but that’s a lot of uncertainty and hope pinned on Wade coming back to fill that space.
Lastly, Chicago. Next year Bosh would be surrounded by Deng, Noah, Rose, and Gibson/Johnson. (I’m purposefully ignoring John Salmons as I hope he disappears through trade or supernatural forces.

Honestly, Deng is only 24 while Turkoglu is 30. Their careers are likely on different trajectories and Deng is having a better season statistically even in this year. With a consistent scoring threat inside, his play would only improve. Rose has the ability to be an annual All-Star. Ignoring James Johnson, Taj Gibson is having a surprisingly good rookie season, outplaying DeRozan. And most importantly, Bosh would get to play the PF position, with Noah banging inside and crashing the offensive boards. This alone will extend Bosh’s career and allow him to spot up for the jump shots.
Honestly, if you’re a PF/C who would you rather have as a teammate lining up as your fellow PF/C:
A guy averaging 16.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.3 bpg Efficiency +16.31
or
A guy averaging 10.6 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.8 bpg, Efficiency +19.85

Yeah you know you’d take the second guy, who is surprise! Joakim Noah.

I’m not trashing the Raptors because they do have a nice blend of players, but Bosh knows it’s not working up there. And by working I mean winning a championship.  He’s going to be tempted to go elsewhere this offseason, so why wouldn’t Toronto try to get something for him?

I could not agree more with every single part of this analysis.  And my knocks on the city of Toronto in the comments yesterday were a joke.  I’ve never been but I have heard wonderful things.  Anyways, hopefully Mr. Bosh sees the light and comes to Chicago since there is a good chance it makes the most sense for him.

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Comment from Stu jackson
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:36 am

The Raptor core is still better, they already beat the bulls twice and are 6th in the east.

plus the Noah and Bosh could not exist because noah would clog the middle for bosh where he lives.

Comment from tru baller
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:36 am

Coming from a true raptor fan you are so rite. I hope chi town trades a first round pick for bosh and a couple of basketballs so we can pursue a real max money stud. The last max money stud we had was vince so chi town trade us for a second teer player cause with bosh and your pathetic bull team all you guys are going to be is bull dung.

Comment from Jesse
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:45 am

LOL!!!

You must be completely deranged if you think CB4 would actually leave a solid 5-6th seeded playoff team for a Bulls team that’s likely not gonna make the playoffs. This must be what happens to fans after watching your team blow a 35 pt lead to the Sac Queens. LOL! Gold.
All you needed to see was how much getting the all-time scoring record for the franchise meant to Bosh to know that he isn’t going nowhere. He’ll be perfectly content to be in a very unique position of being a Raptor for life. Keep dreaming!

Comment from Swirsky’s Soldier
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:45 am

Here we go again…. a Chicago Bulls homer thinks they have superior talent and therefore Bosh should play in Chicago… I would like to state for the record that the standings say otherwise.

Oh yeah… I guess I keep up on American news more than you guys…. because the effective tax rate in America is looking like its jumping to 45% (for that tax bracket).

P.S. I said it on the other post and I’ll say it again here while looking at Raptors vs. Chicago. Jarret Jack tied his shoes……

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:49 am

Wow. I can’t believe all the ChiTown bloggers thinking there is actually a hope in hell Bosh goes to Chicago… Keep dreaming Bulls fans. Chicago’s hopes for a championship are no better than Toronto’s at this point. And you used something like Deng’s age vs. Turk’s to back up your point?? Yikes.

The most likely scenario for all of the 2010 free agents is that they all stay put. A nice boring offseason. Bosh’s best bet if he was to leave Toronto would probably be Miami if he can team up with Wade. Otherwise, he’ll stay in Toronto, which honestly is probably the most likely option. Chicago? Not even on his radar.

Why Toronto? A myriad of reasons:

He just signed on with Warner Canada to release his DVD First Ink, which is one advantage of Toronto. Not only is it a market as large as if not larger than Chicago, he’s also marketing himself to a whole country. So much for those advantages of playing in a big US market vis a vis endorsement deals. Toronto is very much underrated in that regard. In said DVD, he makes the comment that he’s ‘very comfortable’ in Toronto and actually loves coming to T.O. in the offseason now and looks forward to it, unlike his first few years in the league where he would skedaddle off to Dallas asap. Don’t underestimate that comment.

He also said recently that he likes ‘being the man’ on his team and enjoys that challenge. If he were to leave and go to a Miami with Wade or NY with LeBron, he would be playing second fiddle to one of those two.

Money. He stands to make $30 million more by signing with the Raps. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THIS. It’s up to professional athletes because of their limited shelf life to make sure they maximize these opportunities. Yes, a sign-and-trade could be arranged, but that would be a tough one to work out. He needs Colangelo to help him out and although BC has said otherwise, he may just be happy to let him walk and take the cap space. $30 million, in case you’re not aware, is a lot of money.

And then there’s the fact that Bosh wants to win. This eliminates the Bulls right there — why would he take less $$ and go to a team with no better chance to win than Toronto (and will be worse than Toronto for the forseeable future). If it was only about winning and nothing else, then again, Miami with Wade is probably the best option. However, he has a GM in Colangelo that is a fierce competitor and wants to win also. His moves this past summer may not have made the Raps instant championship contenders, but it proved how far he was willing to go to try to make it happen. His sign-and-trade to pull off the Turk trade was very creative/aggressive and nobody saw that one coming. If Bosh re-signs, I could see MLSE allowing him to go into the luxury tax in the coming years to get to that next level. There is no guarantee you’ll win no matter what team you play for — but at least he knows his GM will go after it, which is more than what you can say for 2/3 of the league at this point.

I will concede that if the Raps stink out the joint and miss the playoffs this year, or stumble to an 8th place finish and get pounded in the first round, I wouldn’t be surprised if he bolted. However, the team seems to be coming together now after all the roster moves and they’re on track for 5th in the East. That, combined with at least a decent/valiant effort in the first round may just be enough for Bosh, especially considering everything else I’ve listed.

Oh, and those Canadian taxes aren’t quite as bad as you think. I read the other day how there are ways around them that the Raptors educate the players about, so I doubt the rate would be as high as what most think. Everyone just like to throw out the old ‘Canadian taxes’ argument whenever a big name Toronto FA is up for grabs — didn’t sway Vince Carter when he re-signed a max deal back in the day….

Oh, and yes, we Canadians can indeed be a bit touchy on such subjects. You might be as well when you have to put up with all kinds of BS about your players. When it comes to the Raptors, the US media never makes any common sense statements, it’s just the same old ignorant argument that ‘well, they play in Canada — of course they don’t want to be there — he’s as good as gone!’

We’ll see. But one thing’s for sure.

If you’re a Bulls fan, I wouldn’t bother keeping a #4 jersey open.

Comment from JD Power and Associates
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:58 am

Come on – Chris Bosh is all Chicago! Give the man a supporting cast and the money and he will come. It’s really Bosh or Wade, and I suspect Bosh will have a lot less media hoopla around his decision.

Besides – on a team of “role players”, which of these guys is going to make D-Rose better?

Comment from The Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:58 am

First of all, the Raptor fans don’t appreciate Bosh. If he came to Chicago, he’d be so well loved and seen as someone who could help bring the Bulls to the next level. Also, the Raptors don’t have anyone on their team near what D Rose is and will become. Rose will make Bosh and even better player and vice versa. Rose has nobody else to depend on and will be even better with Bosh. Also, Bosh is playing in Toronto where he puts up 20 and 10 and goes completely unnoticed. He’s one of the best players in the league and is never going to have a chance to do anything in Toronto. He’d be so much more marketable playing in chicago, While he’d probably be best suited to play with Lebron or D Wade, Chicago is definitely a better “situation” than Toronto. The Raptors are a team where good players go to die. I’d rather be playing in Oklahoma City.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:07 am

Um, ‘Disciple’, your comments re: Bosh being underappreciated in Toronto are soooo typical of those of you south of the 49th.

Just because the Raps don’t make it onto ESPN or ABC (which is simply because Cdn ratings don’t count towards the US networks), doesn’t mean Bosh is underappreciated or unnoticed.

Toronto is easily one of the top 10 NBA cities to play in with backwaters like NO, Utah, Indianapolis and yes, OKC down at the bottom.

Read my earlier post — he’s doing just fine in Toronto thank you very much.

Comment from Swirsky’s Soldier
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:11 am

@the Disciple – and you gave the exact reason why Canadians get brash when dealing with Americans. Because they are completely ignorant….. ever wondered why most of the world dislikes you guys? Ego my man… ego.

Comment from The Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:19 am

All I’m saying is that if Chris Bosh wants to win an NBA Championship, he’ll leave Toronto. If I were him would the Bulls be my number one choice? No, of course not. But if I wasn’t all about the $$$, I’d sure as hell choose the Bulls over the Raptors. The Bulls have won in the past, have one of the best up and coming players in the league, and I’d have the prospect of making more money through endorsements than I would staying and making the extra $30 million to play in Toronto. This season is the best the Raptors will ever be. The Bulls knew coming into this season they weren’t going to be any better than last year. They let Ben Gordon go and they have a stop gap as a coach right now as they prepare for the 2010 free agent class. I don’t think the Bulls will get Bosh but if I were him, it would be a much better situation going forward than Toronto. Plus, it’s Toronto for God’s sake.

Comment from Scotty
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:26 am

Oh yeah? Well Canadian beer sucks!

Comment from Boshisnoleader
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:28 am

As a Raptor fan, please take Chris Bosh. Yes he can score and rebound but he is more like a player like Zach Randolph. He can score and rebound 20/10 but will bring nothing else.

He has no leadership skills, cannot play against physical players (Garnett, Rasheed Wallace), terrible interior defender, starts strong but tapers off during the season, injury prone, choked in the playoffs (Nets & Magic) and will never lead his team to success. He is the perfect complementary piece or second banana to a franchise player like Wade.

Please take him so that we don’t have to waste 20 million for 6 years.

Comment from bhattmagandhi
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:58 am

WOW……
I said this yesterday and I’ll say it again:
This whole dilemma about CB4 not being appreciated or marketed because he plays in Toronto is bullshit.

VINCE CARTER: while in Toronto was half-man, half-amazing.
once VC left Toronto he became half-man, half-nothing. What does that tell you about going to America for a better opportunity? If ANYONE were to learn from VC’s mistakes, its his successor, Chris Bosh.

Believe me when I say, Bosh IS appreciated in Toronto – he even acknowledges it. And he IS recognized as one of the premier players in the league.

Truth is: I think HE doesn’t even know what he wants to do once he’s a FA. He’ll decide based on a) how the Raptors do this season b) how he’s feeling about playing in Toronto vs. another team – that being said there are not too many teams that can take on his max contract while keeping their core players.

If Chicago can in fact do that (keep Rose, Noah, Deng + afford the luxury tax) then I’m sure it’s a viable option HE WILL CONSIDER. But that’s all we can say for now, nothing is for sure.

I don’t know where people get this idea that it’s a consensus fact that “CB4 is leaving Toronto”

I say let’s be real, let’s wait until the season ends, and let’s see what comes out of CB4’s mouth.

Personally, if I were in his shoes, I’d be considering Chicago, Miami, Toronto, and depending on which team he would feel most comfortable in (I’m thinking DWade has the most recruiting influence, even more than Chicago) so as a Raptors fan I’m more concerned about him leaving for Miami.

But at this point, nothing is set in stone, and there’s only one way to find out what is going to happen – wait until 2010 Free Agency.

That is all.

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Comment from Kevin Tapani Fan Club
Time January 8, 2010 at 11:37 am

It really confuses me way you Raptors fans have such a hard time understanding the arguments made in this post as for why Chicago is a better long-term future option for a player wanting to win a championship than Toronto. The Bulls have a much more well-balanced team when it comes to talent, size, and age. If you look back over the history of the NBA, it has been demonstrated that you need more than just one superstar to win a championship…you need a core group of guys that can carry a team, with at least potential All-Stars. With that said, I see nobody else on Toronto right now that can make an All-Star besides Bosh. On the Bulls, Derrick Rose definitely has the potential to be an All-Star almost every year and Luol Deng has proven that he can take it to the next level and possibly make one or two All-Star teams in his career. Also, the Bulls are younger, which matters especially when you’re making a comparison of Deng vs. Hedo. You want to play with guys that are getting better, not getting worse. Neither team is winning a championship this year, so you have to look towards the future and the future is much brighter in Chicago.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

Deng will never be an all-star and Rose could be an all-star eventually but has regressed this year.

Bosh has a great situation in Toronto who outside of Turk also have an extremely young team. Bargs, Johnson, Calderon, Jack, DeRozan, Wright etc. It’s not an old team by any stretch. You’re focusing on Turk too much. Besides, he’s a great distributor and scorer if need be – very versatile and crafty. He’s hardly athletic so he will age better than most.

Bosh and Bargs are a better fit together than Bosh/Noah would be. Noah would be in the way. Bosh’s outside game helps get his inside game going. Contrary to popular belief (posted above), Bosh doesn’t like to just camp out and take jumpers. He works well with Bargs because they’re both versatile but Bosh has the better inside game and is a better rebounder to make up for Bargs’ shortcomings in those areas. Andrea is much-maligned but is still improving — it takes awhile for Euro bigs to find their game in the NBA.

Also, Toronto’s core is locked up for awhile (Jack/Calderon/Turk/Bargs) so if the team performs like they are and can, Bosh knows what to expect here. I’m not sure why/how Bulls fanboys think their nucleus is in any way better than the Raptors’ or has a better future.

Right now the Jack/Calderon combo at the point is at least a wash with Rose if not better – it’s so important to have a solid backup in today’s NBA so the level of play at that position doesn’t drop off and you’re covered for injuries.

The ultimate point is: whether Bosh is on Toronto or Chicago, said team would have to go into the luxury tax to take it to the next level and neither organization has shown that they want to do that at least not yet. I’m only for giving Bosh the max here if MLSE (owners) are willing to pay to bring in another piece or two to get them into the upper echelon within a year or two. The Bulls would be in the same situation. All of the top teams are in the luxury tax threshold — it’s a fact you have to go there to win.

Basically, Bosh stays in Toronto unless he figures out something where he can join one of the other big FA’s and I just can’t see it happening as one of the other teams would have to gut their roster to get two of these guys and Bosh isn’t taking any less cash when he knows BC is going to give him a max contract to stay.

We Toronto fans love Bosh – he is truly a heart and soul/character guy, which is partly why it’s hard to imagine him leaving. He likes being the franchise and you could tell passing Vince as the leading Rap scorer means something to him. However, I think most Rap fans believe he probably isn’t worth a max contract because he’s not quite at the LeBron/Wade level. However, the franchise will be set back if they don’t re-sign him for a variety of reasons, so he will get his money here. Again, the roster is solid and Colangelo wants to win, and has proven he will do what it takes to address the team’s issues — remember, he brought in an entire new roster this year except for 3 players!

Comment from Joe Buddy
Time January 8, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Lol. Every Bulls fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose Chicago. Every Heat fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose Miami. Every Knicks fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose New York. If Bosh didn’t want to be in Toronto, he would have asked to be moved a while ago. When the Raps were slipping last season, he said he wouldn’t demand a trade and that he wants to build with Toronto. Bosh recruited Hedo to join the Raps this past summer. He has his boys Jose and Jarrett with him. He has a rookie with “the most potential” in last years draft. He has a center that just seems to get better game by game. He has a country supporting him. He’s the main guy in Toronto. He calls Toronto home. He has everything he needs in Toronto, and the wins are coming too. Why would he leave?

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 12:41 pm

@Joe Buddy: “Every Bulls fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose Chicago. Every Heat fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose Miami. Every Knicks fan says it would be best for Bosh to choose New York.” I completely agree with that except its missing one thing…”Every annoying Raptors fan thinks it would be best for him to stay in Toronto”.

I agree that everyone is trying to justify why Bosh would be better off in their city, but what you Raps fans don’t get is that you’re doing the same thing! Things aren’t necessarily that bad for him in Toronto, nor is it certain he’s leaving. It is a possibility though, so why freak out when the possibility is mentioned? I never suggested it was a sure thing so what is the problem you all have exactly?

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 12:59 pm

What you guys are doing is overvaluing your own players in assessing the situation — either thinking Colangelo will take stiffs like Thomas and Hinrich off your hands for Bosh, or thinking your motley crew of a roster would be in any way appealing to a free agent.

Trust me, we see this first hand here all the time — it’s called Leaf fans. Leaf fans routinely overvalue horrible Leaf players and flood the airwaves with ridiculous trade suggestions which always have the best guy from another team coming to Toronto for a couple of scrubs and draft picks, or the Leafs signing a big name free agent who will want to come here and play for a 7-10th place team, immediately followed by that free agent re-upping with his current club for the next umpteen years.

No one knows what Bosh will do, but it’s a little tiring hearing daily from each NBA market as well as the ESPN ‘experts’ about where Bosh will end up/Bosh is the most likely of the big guys to leave etc.

Raptor truthers are passionate and just want to get the story out from Toronto’s point of view and offer the less popular opinion that there might actually be the odd good reason for him to want to stay.

Just because he plays on the outside of your great country doesn’t necessarily mean he’s clamoring to get back in. His decision will come down to a number of factors discussed here, the least of which being what country he resides in — he re-signed once in Toronto already when he could have left if it was such an issue.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 1:04 pm

See, now Houston’s involved apparently, and their assets are waaaay better than the Bulls’ if a trade could be worked out

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100108-09/weekend-dime-rockets-woo-bosh

Comment from Joe Buddy
Time January 8, 2010 at 1:07 pm

@Stormin’ Norman Disciple: The problem is that everyone seems to think that Bosh is a lock to leave Toronto (although you seem to be open minded about the situation). Everyone seems to think that Canada is like some third world country that no American wants to be in. Chris Bosh loves Toronto. He’s made that known many times. And not only Toronto, but the whole of Canada loves Chris Bosh. A little bit of proof of that is the above comments from all the Raps fans.

As for us Raps fans who do the same thing as every other teams fans…that is true. Only difference is we have him and everyone else wants him. And this so called “trade rumour” you posted yesterday…Hinrich, Tyrus and a pick for Bosh? C’mon man, be real. The whole thing about it is that the American media has bloated Bosh’s trade value. Any sensible Raptor fan will know that the above trade isn’t bad at all for the Raps, but his trade value is way too high now.

The following line from yesterday’s post made me laugh a little too…”Toronto will likely be trying to get something in return for him before the trade deadline since it is pretty much common knowledge that he wants to leave the Raptors”.

It may be common knowledge to people who want him on their team, to everyone else, it isn’t.

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Comment from Zoner
Time January 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm

I’m not gonna read all the comments, but I have read most and haven’t seen any mention of endorsements. Trumps any difference in taxes. And if he is traded to Chicago, Toronto is no longer the 6th seed (duh). And if he is traded, obviously it would be the Bulls who be able to pay him more than any other team. PLUS endorsements.

Quick: name a big free agent that has stayed and resigned a megadeal for he Raps. Well? We’re waiting…

Comment from Zoner
Time January 8, 2010 at 3:10 pm

One last thing: nobody wants to read a novel in a comment section. Edit your thoughts down. And I can guarantee Bosh couldn’t care less what’s on Toronto’s roster. Turkoglu, Jack, Bargani? Big deal.

Comment from Mike P
Time January 8, 2010 at 3:34 pm

BC already said a million times–if Bosh doesnt re-sign, he will do a sign and trade @ the end of the season.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:01 pm

@zoner Toronto > Chicago for endorsements. North America’s 4th largest market + the rest of Canada. It’s at worst equal. Chicago is not a better market than T.O.

Vince re-signed a max deal with the Raps back in the day and was more than happy to — giddy, in fact. Until things didn’t work out, he became ‘wince’ with all of the injuries and then Rob Babcock was hired as GM. Otherwise he may still be here.

Nice try.

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:03 pm

Wow I didn’t realize how distorted and ridiculous Raptors fans views on the Vince situation were. It’s like a sad combination of defending him and yet hating him at the same time. He sucked in Toronto, he sucked after he left, and he tanked games because he wanted to leave. That reflects poorly on him more than on the city of Toronto, but it is still a fact.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm

@Mike P — yes, correct. BC has said a few times on local radio he would look at a sign-and-trade in the offseason. Bosh ain’t goin’ anywhere during the season. BC wants to win first and foremost this year — or at least do as well as they can.

I’m almost certain he wouldn’t be traded in the off-season to Chicago given the scrubs they would want to offer in return — a third team would have to be involved. I almost think it’s best to let him walk if he truly doesn’t want to be in Toronto and then use the cap money on Stoudemire or another FA.

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:07 pm

@DBro: No one is going to Toronto. I’m sorry guy. It’s a great city with a big population and blah blah blah. That’s all fine, but it is not where NBA star millionaires want to go. Bottom line. The only reason you have a shot at keeping Bosh is because you can theoretically offer him more money (unless there’s a sign and trade). Stoudemire? Come on guy, he’s not going to want to go to Toronto. There are a million teams with cap space who will be chasing him and everyone else.

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:10 pm

sad combination?? huh? it is what it is — we lived it.

He was great. We wanted him to re-sign after the big playoff run. He wanted to re-sign. He did. I still remember the presser — he was giddy. Then AD re-upped; JYD re-upped; Alvin re-upped; Hakeem signed. We thought this core could challenge for a championship.

Then, it simply didn’t work out. Vince got injured the next year and AD, Keon Clark etc. led them to the playoffs and they lost to Det.

Hakeem barely played in a Raptor uni; Alvin really never played much after he re-signed — injuries. It all fell apart.

Grunwald out. Babcock in. The rest is history. Vince then began tanking it – no excuse for that, but I have to admit, the organization was in shambles at that point too with no direction, hence his unhappiness.

So, um, yes — part of me thinks he was justified in wanting out — he just handled it wrong and Babcock made a terrible trade.

There’s your history lesson. No distortion there.

Comment from Joe Buddy
Time January 8, 2010 at 4:33 pm

Why are Bulls fans/writers trying to school Raptor fans on the Vince situation? We were there, we saw everything. We know why certain things happen.

DBro…good post.

Comment from Rule 5 Draftee
Time January 8, 2010 at 5:47 pm

Maybe I’m an ignorant American, but I really don’t see how Toronto is a bigger media market than Chicago. First of all, Chicago is a larger city and has a larger population (and I’m not even counting the metro Gary, IN population which draws the Chicago market). Secondly, some of the Canadians here want to fairly argue that Bosh will be marketed through the entire nation. Really? A nation of 35 million in which hockey & Canadian Football are more popular, compared to a metro city population of 9.8 million (per Wikipedia) that has a rich history of basketball tradition from high schools to the professional level. I haven’t even talked about the draw from the entire state of Illinois (save for maybe a small pocket that’s potentially Pacers fans?), Iowa (draws the Chicago market), Missouri (neither St Louis or KC have a team). Finally, Chicago is well known in the media business to be a hub for advertising firms seconded only to New York, home to hundreds of Corporate Giants, and the 3rd (not 4th) largest market in America. I guess I’m ignorant and Loud. BUY AMERICAN!!! (<- nah, buy whatever is Cheaper).

Comment from Rule 5 Draftee
Time January 8, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Maybe I’m an ignorant American, but I really don’t see how Toronto is a bigger media market than Chicago. First of all, Chicago is a larger city and has a larger population (and I’m not even counting the metro Gary, IN population which draws the Chicago market). Secondly, some of the Canadians here want to fairly argue that Bosh will be marketed through the entire nation. Really? A nation of 35 million in which hockey & Canadian Football are more popular, compared to a metro city population of 9.8 million (per Wikipedia) that has a rich history of basketball tradition from high schools to the professional level. I haven’t even talked about the draw from the entire state of Illinois (save for maybe a small pocket that’s potentially Pacers fans?), Iowa (draws the Chicago market), Missouri (neither St Louis or KC have a team). Finally, Chicago is well known in the media business to be a hub for advertising firms seconded only to New York, home to hundreds of Corporate Giants, and the 3rd (not 4th) largest market in America. I must be ignorant. BUY AMERICAN!!! (<- nah, buy whatever is Cheaper).

Comment from Rule 5 Draftee
Time January 8, 2010 at 5:49 pm

That being said, if I were Bosh, I’d go to Miami. Weather sucks here.

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Comment from Chi- Town
Time January 10, 2010 at 9:41 pm

Next Seasons lineup should look like this Derrick Rose PG, D- Wade SG, Deng SF, Chris Bosh PF, Noah C and if you wanna start winning championships Chicago you better get this lineup set up for next season.

Comment from J P
Time January 10, 2010 at 11:24 pm

This in response to DBro…

Rose has regressed? He was slowed by injury, missed practicing before the season started and worked through it. Now he is playing 1 less minute per game and scoring 1.7pnts more than last years average. I guess I call that regression. DUMB ASS CANADIENS!!!!

It’s not about anything more than a decision made by him and his family. And anything a player says on camera is for the camera most likely and should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless a reporter asks point blank how he feels about Chicago, Miami, Houston or Toronto…none of what any of you say is worth its weight in SHIT!

08-09 CHI 81 80 37.0 7.1-14.9 .475 0.2-0.9 .222 2.4-3.1 .788 0.80 0.20 2.5 1.5 1.2 2.7 3.9 6.3 16.8
09-10 CHI 35 35 36.1 7.7-16.8 .457 0.1-0.4 .154 3.0-3.9 .774 0.80 0.30 2.8 1.2 1.0 2.5 3.5 5.9 18.5

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Comment from Jerry85
Time January 12, 2010 at 6:15 pm

Bitter Toronto fans, you aint got nothin there. Bosh is coming to Chi-town, so stop crying and wining about Bosh coming to the Bulls. Just deal with it!!!!!!

Comment from RaptorsFan
Time February 23, 2010 at 7:59 am

Chicago sucks the bag! you could trade away the whole team and you’d still suck the bag, get real Bosh won’t come to shi-tcago

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