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Time January 7, 2010 at 11:08 am

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Comment from dante
Time January 7, 2010 at 11:49 am

Could you please link to any statements that giving any sort of backing to Bosh leaving Toronto? Just asking because any quote Ive heard from Bosh have been how he feels comfoartable in Toronto, and actually spent the better part of his summer ther instead of Dallas. The GM has surrounded him with complimentary part, friends, and the team is currently battling for 5th in the talent-laden eastern conference even thought he Raps have had the league’s toughest schedule. So if you dont mind, I’d like to finally get a source for people saying Bosh in leaving TO.
If I actually had to choose, I think Wade will be the big free-agent to bounce out. His teams has shown him no effort to build around him. Bosh’s has. Wade just has a bunch of Tito Jacksons around him. Just curious as to why people aren’t pre-supposing him as the guy who should be moved.

Comment from Swirsky’s Soldier
Time January 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm

So I was thinking…. seeing how Chicago is imploding and its common knowldege Derrick Rose won’t want to play in that sort of mess…. Toronto could send Marcus Banks to Chicago for Rose. It makes sense. Rose gets a chance to return to the playoffs and compete or continue to drown in a team that can’t put the ball in the hoop.

Doesn’t really makes sense does it? What possible makes someone think that the Bosh deal makes any sense either.

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 7, 2010 at 12:27 pm

@Swirsky’s Soldier: You’re kidding right? Here’s one HUGE difference. Rose has a few more years on his contract and Bosh’s is expiring. I guess that’s not a really big deal except…wait…yeah it is. Oh and the fact that Chicago is a huge market and an awesome city in AMERICA.

Bosh might walk at the end of this year. If he does, Toronto gets nothing. I’m not saying he will for sure walk, but if the Raps think there’s a good chance he will, wouldn’t it make sense for them to try to get something in return? Rose isn’t going anywhere for a few years so your comparison makes no sense.

Moron.

Comment from Bass
Time January 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm

This is the deal Ive been waiting to hear, which is why I ultimately dont think its going to happen. But to hear Hinrich name back in trade talks is still good to read. If the Bulls are able to unload Hinrich contracts for expiring contracts they will have enough money for free agency to sign Bosh and Joe Johnson, but if we are able to trade for Bosh with Hinrich included in the deal would kill two birds with one stone. This trade would most certainly put the Bulls in play for a championship run for a long time to come if we would be able to retain Chris Bosh and then sign Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade. From one Chicago Bull’s fan to all others, Im praying this happpens.

DA BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment from TP
Time January 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm

Look, two facts:
1) Toronto is at the same level, if not better, than Chicago. Don’t judge which city is better without actually visiting. I’ve been to both. Toronto is more beautiful, culturally diverse, prosperous (most prosperous city in Canada), and even the weather is nicer. If I were Bosh and aiming for an American city, I would choose coastal cities or cities in Texas. Chicago will be last on that list. Keep dreaming.
2) The only incentive for Bosh to leave is: i) the team he goes to has championship potential, or ii) financially the new team pays better. Let’s see.

Reason i) looks at the record of both teams: Toronto 18-18, Chicago 14-19. Other than Rose, I don’t see a better supporting cast.

ii) financially, Toronto can offer Bosh max money, Chicago can’t.

What’s even more outrageous is the offer. Really? Hinrich and Thomas? We already have two qualified PGs in Jack and Calderon. Thomas is widely inconsistent. All the rumors (ie. Golden State, Utah, Dallas, even Sacramento) sounded better than this Chicago trade. I’d rather risk letting Bosh walk for free than take this ridiculous one. So keep dreaming.

btw, if you want to have a ‘comments’ section, it’d be best if you don’t call commenters a ‘Moron’. Not professional at all.

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 7, 2010 at 1:36 pm

For the amount of abuse I take in these comments, I’ll call whoever I want whatever I want. Moron.

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Time January 7, 2010 at 1:47 pm

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Comment from Stormin Norman is a MORON
Time January 7, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Yeah, this trade makes ZERO sense whatsoever. As a previous comment eluded, there’s NO WAY Colangelo takes on the Hinrich with both Calderon and Jack already on the roster.

And again, Bosh has ZERO reason whatsoever to want to play in Chicago (worse record, worse talent, worse coach, worse ownership). If by a miraculous act of God this trade goes down, the Bulls lose Bosh to free-agency at the end of the season.

And if you want to get technical, Bosh’s contract isn’t expiring. He’s signed until the 2010-11 season, but has a player’s opt out at the end of this season. He’s made no indication that he will exercise his right to opt-out. Do your research man…and good luck in the lottery this summer.

Comment from Kevin Tapani Fan Club
Time January 7, 2010 at 3:30 pm

Ha! Yeah, do your research Stormin’ and quit shopping Hinrich!

Comment from Chris Bosh
Time January 7, 2010 at 3:53 pm

Dude, why would I ever want to play in Chicago??? If my man Colangelo trades me, there’s no way in hell I’m signing an extension with the Bulls. Give me South Beach any day of the week.

Although the extra $30 million the Raptors can offer will be tough to leave on the table. And if the Bulls somehow make the playoffs this year, the 1st round pick sent to Toronto won’t even be a lottery pick (I’m sure Colangelo is aware of this).

And you could make the argument that Tyrus Thomas belongs in the D-League (no offense Tyrus). If the Raptors trade me, I know Colangelo would pry either Deng or Rose (or both) from the Bulls…otherwise, there really isn’t any point…especially right now with the Raptors the hottest team in the Eastern Conference. Why break up a good thing?

Yeah this trade doesn’t make any sense for me. Sorry Bulls fans.

Swirsky, I miss you in Toronto!

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Time January 7, 2010 at 6:18 pm

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Comment from bhattmagandhi
Time January 7, 2010 at 7:43 pm

Do some research, find some REAL sources, then write your blog.

All I can say is you’re full of BS… it’s like reading fiction.

Comment from bhattmagandhi
Time January 7, 2010 at 7:50 pm

P.S.

For everyone out there who thinks that Bosh wants to go play for a team JUST BECAUSE its in America. He isn’t dumb. He was there to see what happened to Vince Carter.

When VC was in Toronto he was half-man half-amazing. When he left, he became half-man half-nothing. So much for that American dream. His best days remain in a Raptors uniform, unquestionably. Bosh is smarter than VC, if anyone would have learned from VC’s mistakes, it’s his successor, Christopher Wesson Bosh.

That is all.

Comment from Proud American
Time January 7, 2010 at 10:40 pm

What you’re witnessing here folks are angry Canadians who lash out whenever besmirches the Raptors or FC Toronto (They know the Blue Jays suck and will forever battle with Baltimore for 4th place in the AL East.) They might be all nice and friendly backpacking through Europe with their maple leaf patches sewn onto their satchels, but mention a trade rumor without said rumor coming from Bryan Colangelo or Andrea Bargnani’s father, and prepare to have your integrity and intelligence questioned.

If I were in CB4’s shoes I would be looking at 2 things: how much money would I keep after taxes and my supporting cast.
Canadian Federal and Ontario Provincial income tax rate for millionaires = 40%
US Federal and IL state income taxes = 36.95%
US Federal and FL (0%) state income taxes = 35%
So yes, he’d probably rather play in Florida, not only because of the weather, the clothing or lack thereof, and the pocketing of a lot more money after taxes.

In terms of supporting casts:
In Toronto after signing Hedo to the big contract last offseason, Bosh will be looking at the tall, athletic supporting cast of Turkoglu, Bargnani, DeRozan and Calderon/Jack at the point. Unfortunately, if he resigns for the max, he may still only be stuck at .500 for the next few years while Turkoglu ages and stays further and further away from the basket.
In Miami, Bosh is only guaranteed to have Michael “I told myself to go to Rehab” Beasley, Daequan Cook, and Mario Chalmers. They’d be favorite to win the NCAA Tournament 3 years ago, but that’s a lot of uncertainty and hope pinned on Wade coming back to fill that space.
Lastly, Chicago. Next year Bosh would be surrounded by Deng, Noah, Rose, and Gibson/Johnson. (I’m purposefully ignoring John Salmons as I hope he disappears through trade or supernatural forces.

Honestly, Deng is only 24 while Turkoglu is 30. Their careers are likely on different trajectories and Deng is having a better season statistically even in this year. With a consistent scoring threat inside, his play would only improve. Rose has the ability to be an annual All-Star. Ignoring James Johnson, Taj Gibson is having a surprisingly good rookie season, outplaying DeRozan. And most importantly, Bosh would get to play the PF position, with Noah banging inside and crashing the offensive boards. This alone will extend Bosh’s career and allow him to spot up for the jump shots.
Honestly, if you’re a PF/C who would you rather have as a teammate lining up as your fellow PF/C.
A guy averaging 16.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.3 bpg Efficiency +16.31
or
A guy averaging 10.6 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.8 bpg, Efficiency +19.85

Yeah you know you’d take the second guy, who is surprise! Joakim Noah.

I’m not trashing the Raptors because they do have a nice blend of players, but Bosh knows it’s not working up there. And by working I mean winning a championship. He’s going to be tempted to go elsewhere this offseason, so why wouldn’t Toronto try to get something for him?

Comment from Swirsky’s Soldier
Time January 8, 2010 at 8:37 am

“Bosh knows it’s not working up there

hmmm… .500 record vs… whats the Bulls record again…..

Just coming off wins vs Orlando and SA….. vs who do the bulls beat again

won 7 of the last 8 games…. this after coming off the toughest schedule in the league for November and early december… vs. Chicagos longest win streak is..

If Bosh is leaving because things arent working in Toronto, why leave for a place where the team is on the verge of imploding. Everyone knows whats happening (or not happening in Chicago) and the Raps best of all. Seriously Jarret Jack tied his shoes……

@Stormin Normans Disciple – my entire point was how ridiculously bad this deal is for the Raps, just as that deal (rose for Banks) would be for Chicago. The Raptors are still trying to run an organization up here and taking Chicagos crap for our best player isnt going to cut it. There are 28 other teams out there interested in Bosh….

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time January 8, 2010 at 8:54 am

@Swirsky’s Soldier: Read the post, buddy. “Now it totally depends on how they value Tyrus, but it seems unlikely that the Raptors would take a bad contract like Hinrich’s. The likelihood is that they will want an expiring contract and some young talent and/or draft picks. The rumor isn’t exactly substantiated by any real evidence…”

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Time January 8, 2010 at 9:01 am

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Comment from Swirsky’s Soldier
Time January 8, 2010 at 9:34 am

@Stormin’ – then I ask why post it, buddy? Its not a deal the Raps want, not a deal that is likely to happen, no evidence…… oh I see because its completely irrelevant and unlikely so I’ll throw it out there. Nice.

yeah I posted one to, buddy!

Comment from DBro
Time January 8, 2010 at 10:03 am

Colangelo is under no pressure to trade Bosh during the season. He’s said on the radio here a couple of times that if Bosh won’t re-sign, then his number 1 option would be to work a sign-and-trade in the offseason. Do you actually think he’s going to take Chicago’s pu-pu platter and ruin his chances at a playoff run this year? 100% he keeps Bosh for the full season no matter what and then see what happens from there. I still contend that all of the big free agents stay with their clubs.

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Time January 10, 2010 at 5:00 am

[...] Not Qualified To Comment » I’m Shopping Hinrich Again (Bulls Rumor Mill Starts Anew) Now it totally depends on how they value Tyrus, but it seems unlikely that the Raptors would take a bad contract like Hinrich’s. The likelihood is that they will want an expiring contract and some young talent and/or draft picks. The rumor isn’t exactly substantiated by any real evidence either, but we can always dream… [...]

Comment from Bass
Time January 10, 2010 at 9:12 am

Hey here is a trade scenario. The Bulls have been in three trade rumors dealing with the Knicks, Washington, and Toronto. The last two teams may be able to get together with the Bulls and do a three team trade. Sending Antwan Jamison and Tyrus Thomas to Toronto, Kirk Hinrich and a pick to Washington, and Chris Bosh to Chicago. Hey its a possibility, especially since the Bulls have been in communication with both teams already. Whatever the Bulls do Im hoping, before the deadline is up, they find some expiring contracts for Kirk Hinrich, which will free up more money to sign two top of the line free agents. Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson or Dwanye Wade.

Da Bulls!!!!!!!!!!

Comment from Ryan
Time January 13, 2010 at 2:48 pm

You guys are all retarded if you think rose is going over the border to Toronto your crazy! Rose is from Chicago and hes going to be there the rest of his career. The bulls will be better in a couple of years and if you guys think bosh is going to a city for scenary you guys are f in crazy. Bosh wants the most money and the best chance to win what they all want a championship and d-rose is a good starting point in chicago.