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	<title>Comments on: How Come No One Believes Racism Exists Until a White Guy Says It Does? [Cubs Fan Edition]</title>
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		<title>By: The OS</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think a white guy has to say racism exists for people to acknowledge it.  I mean, look at your sources.  Would you believe anything that Milton Bradley says about the city of Chicago after his tirades and past personal/emotional issues?   Would you believe Ron Artest too?  No, regardless of race, you tend to believe people with strong character. 

Ask Andre Dawson how he was treated at the same position in Right Field.  If you work your tail off, show your work ethic and have success on the field, you&#039;re going to be liked no matter what color or background you have.  The Hawk was the epitome of class, and never once complained about the fans (that I know of).  

Bradley doesn&#039;t have the personality to make it in a big town market.  He would have flopped on either NY team too.  Heck, I wanted Kevin Gregg&#039;s head 20 times more than anyone else on the team.  Even the Florida Marlins fans said they were glad they got rid of him when I caught the Cubs series in Miami last August.

There actually is a segment of Cubs fans that I cannot stand.  Let&#039;s call them...Notre Dame fans.  Something about that sense of entitlement doesn&#039;t sit well with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think a white guy has to say racism exists for people to acknowledge it.  I mean, look at your sources.  Would you believe anything that Milton Bradley says about the city of Chicago after his tirades and past personal/emotional issues?   Would you believe Ron Artest too?  No, regardless of race, you tend to believe people with strong character. </p>
<p>Ask Andre Dawson how he was treated at the same position in Right Field.  If you work your tail off, show your work ethic and have success on the field, you&#8217;re going to be liked no matter what color or background you have.  The Hawk was the epitome of class, and never once complained about the fans (that I know of).  </p>
<p>Bradley doesn&#8217;t have the personality to make it in a big town market.  He would have flopped on either NY team too.  Heck, I wanted Kevin Gregg&#8217;s head 20 times more than anyone else on the team.  Even the Florida Marlins fans said they were glad they got rid of him when I caught the Cubs series in Miami last August.</p>
<p>There actually is a segment of Cubs fans that I cannot stand.  Let&#8217;s call them&#8230;Notre Dame fans.  Something about that sense of entitlement doesn&#8217;t sit well with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rule 5 Draftee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rule 5 Draftee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the drunk down-state bleacher bums yelling the slurs.  My theory is it&#039;s the ghost of Cap Anson, who instituted a policy of racism in baseball in the late 19th Century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the drunk down-state bleacher bums yelling the slurs.  My theory is it&#8217;s the ghost of Cap Anson, who instituted a policy of racism in baseball in the late 19th Century.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, nice of Wood to bring that up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, nice of Wood to bring that up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Tapani Fan Club</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Tapani Fan Club</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the issue of racism in Chicago, I thought this current news article would be interesting to some. It is getting national attention. Like most of the Cubs being subject to the racist threats, Mother&#039;s sucks anyways: 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/25/illinois.bar.racism.allegations/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the issue of racism in Chicago, I thought this current news article would be interesting to some. It is getting national attention. Like most of the Cubs being subject to the racist threats, Mother&#8217;s sucks anyways: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/25/illinois.bar.racism.allegations/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/25/illinois.bar.racism.allegations/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I have dyslexic fingers.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What am I missing?  Wood says that he saw hate mail, not that he witnessed people at that the ballpark hurling insults.  People sending in hate mail are not necessarily Cub fans, right?  Wrigley Field&#039;s address is available to anybody, right?  I cannot think of a real baseball fan who would want to discriminate against any player based on race, color creed etc.  I can imagine nutballs who get off on sending hate mail to celebrities though.

I cannot say that it doesn&#039;t happen, because I am not privvy to every conversation that takes place at Wrigley Field, but I can say that if somebody at a game started yelling out such slurs in the vicnity of where I was sitting, I would mention it to security, immediately.  I would wager that most other fans would do the same.

Some years ago, the Sun-Times columnist, Mary Mitchell, wrote about an ugly encounter that she had with a &quot;fan&quot; outside the park after a game.  But then again, &quot;security&quot; is different outside the park.  There is little more of a tolerance for drunken slobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What am I missing?  Wood says that he saw hate mail, not that he witnessed people at that the ballpark hurling insults.  People sending in hate mail are not necessarily Cub fans, right?  Wrigley Field&#8217;s address is available to anybody, right?  I cannot think of a real baseball fan who would want to discriminate against any player based on race, color creed etc.  I can imagine nutballs who get off on sending hate mail to celebrities though.</p>
<p>I cannot say that it doesn&#8217;t happen, because I am not privvy to every conversation that takes place at Wrigley Field, but I can say that if somebody at a game started yelling out such slurs in the vicnity of where I was sitting, I would mention it to security, immediately.  I would wager that most other fans would do the same.</p>
<p>Some years ago, the Sun-Times columnist, Mary Mitchell, wrote about an ugly encounter that she had with a &#8220;fan&#8221; outside the park after a game.  But then again, &#8220;security&#8221; is different outside the park.  There is little more of a tolerance for drunken slobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But no one ever called these guys liars.&quot;

Yes, they did. That&#039;s exactly the point. No one said Milton Bradley was lying? There weren&#039;t accusation that Dusty was using the so-called racist letters as an excuse to deflect from a poor job? There were radio hosts who openly questioned whether those letters Dusty supposedly waved around in his office were really racist letter since he didn&#039;t let anyone see them. Yeah, most of these guys were called liars or, at the very least, had their accusations of racism called suspect. If YOU didn&#039;t doubt them, good for you. But there were a LOT of people who did. And true, some of that doubt is based on the personality of the player himself. I mean, if Derek Lee said he received racist mail, most people would probably believe him. And who&#039;s to say he hasn&#039;t?

So perhaps it&#039;s just a matter of grammar. No, not all Cubs fans are racist. But SOME are. Just as SOME Sox fans are racist, some Bears fans, etc. It shouldn&#039;t be a surprise to anyone, including a guy on the team who gets mail like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But no one ever called these guys liars.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, they did. That&#8217;s exactly the point. No one said Milton Bradley was lying? There weren&#8217;t accusation that Dusty was using the so-called racist letters as an excuse to deflect from a poor job? There were radio hosts who openly questioned whether those letters Dusty supposedly waved around in his office were really racist letter since he didn&#8217;t let anyone see them. Yeah, most of these guys were called liars or, at the very least, had their accusations of racism called suspect. If YOU didn&#8217;t doubt them, good for you. But there were a LOT of people who did. And true, some of that doubt is based on the personality of the player himself. I mean, if Derek Lee said he received racist mail, most people would probably believe him. And who&#8217;s to say he hasn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>So perhaps it&#8217;s just a matter of grammar. No, not all Cubs fans are racist. But SOME are. Just as SOME Sox fans are racist, some Bears fans, etc. It shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise to anyone, including a guy on the team who gets mail like this.</p>
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		<title>By: J-Chi</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure there may be some racist fans but they are in the minority. There are racists everywhere but again they are the minority. Regardless these guys are getting paid a fortune and should have tough skin. You can call me names and throw beer on me any day for what these guys get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there may be some racist fans but they are in the minority. There are racists everywhere but again they are the minority. Regardless these guys are getting paid a fortune and should have tough skin. You can call me names and throw beer on me any day for what these guys get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stormin norman, I am so proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stormin norman, I am so proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormin' Norman Disciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormin' Norman Disciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zoner and Rod Beck&#039;s Mullet

You both make excellent points.  Not all Cubs fans are racist and a lot of America is racist.  Cubs fans reputation for this, however, goes beyond many other teams&#039; fans.  We have heard about hate mail from Cubs fans here for years, though not necessarily from other teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zoner and Rod Beck&#8217;s Mullet</p>
<p>You both make excellent points.  Not all Cubs fans are racist and a lot of America is racist.  Cubs fans reputation for this, however, goes beyond many other teams&#8217; fans.  We have heard about hate mail from Cubs fans here for years, though not necessarily from other teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Beck's Mullet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Beck's Mullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoner is dead on.  How can you possibly say &quot;Cubs fans are racist.&quot; and just leave it at that?  I don&#039;t think anyone doubted that slurs were thrown around in the bleachers, because every cubs fan knows that bad things are said by drunk idiots in the bleachers.  Like Stormin&#039; said, people called Dusty a terrible manager, LaTroy a terrible pitcher, Jacque a crybaby and Milton, well, a lot of things.  But no one ever called these guys liars.  I don&#039;t think Woody chiming in on this story changed anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoner is dead on.  How can you possibly say &#8220;Cubs fans are racist.&#8221; and just leave it at that?  I don&#8217;t think anyone doubted that slurs were thrown around in the bleachers, because every cubs fan knows that bad things are said by drunk idiots in the bleachers.  Like Stormin&#8217; said, people called Dusty a terrible manager, LaTroy a terrible pitcher, Jacque a crybaby and Milton, well, a lot of things.  But no one ever called these guys liars.  I don&#8217;t think Woody chiming in on this story changed anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Linked And Loaded - Wednesday - 10/28 &#124; Paneech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linked And Loaded - Wednesday - 10/28 &#124; Paneech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Qualified To Comment says there is a racism problem in the Chicago Cubs organization that has existed for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really just a microcosm of the country. The country has a lot of racism, so of course some Cubs fans are racist. Same with any other team. I guarantee you that black players from every team receive hate mail. So to just put this on Cubs fans is kind of shortsighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really just a microcosm of the country. The country has a lot of racism, so of course some Cubs fans are racist. Same with any other team. I guarantee you that black players from every team receive hate mail. So to just put this on Cubs fans is kind of shortsighted.</p>
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		<title>By: October 28, 2009: Andre Agassi Meth Admission; NBA Openers; Hot Mormon Muffins &#124; FanSided</title>
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		<dc:creator>October 28, 2009: Andre Agassi Meth Admission; NBA Openers; Hot Mormon Muffins &#124; FanSided</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Maybe Cubs Fans Are Racist After All [...]</description>
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