Talking About Pitch Counts

April 3, 2009 at 10:00 am | MLB
By: StevieY19

ShysterBall had a post yesterday about the science of pitch counts, citing an article that suggested that teams should look a little more closely at how their pitchers tire during the game.  Sometimes a simple pitch count doesn’t tell the whole story.

However, the most interesting part of the post to me was a section that highlighted a couple of guys and their ridiculous pitch counts.  First was Washington’s Tom Cheney, who in 1962 threw a complete game…in 16 innings.  It took 228 pitches to get the job done.  That would make CC Sabathia blush.

The second example was Nolan Ryan, which was not surprising.  Ryan would routinely flirt with 200 pitches in a game.  He’d walk a lot of guys, strikeout others, and rack up huge pitch counts.

These kind of things are absolutely unheard of these days, in fact last year we all complained about how the Brewers were abusing CC by making him go for 120 pitches in a game.  Then you have guys like Harden who are almost sure injury cases when they pitch over 100 in consecutive starts.

Of course the change in the culture has its pros and cons.  It must have been awesome to watch a guy like Ryan simply never give in and reach back for a heater at 170 pitches.  On the other hand, guys like Harden wouldn’t exist in the majors.  The kid is a strikeout machine and after being pushed like that, he’d be out of the league within a couple years back then (or now if Dusty was in charge).


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Comments

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time April 3, 2009 at 10:08 am

Why is Nolan Ryan bleeding? Chuck Norris vs. Nolan Ryan, who wins?

Comment from Kevin Tapani Fan Club
Time April 3, 2009 at 10:29 am

I’d be interested in an article that took the overall issue of pitch counts and durability and analyzed it in the context of pitching techniques/mechanics and how they’ve changed and contributed to this fragility. If you compare older pitchers to newer pitchers, the older pitchers seem to have used more of their entire body when pitching (more hip rotation, greater leg kicks, etc.) compared to today’s pitchers that seem to rely on their arms more. I can’t help but think of somebody like Kerry Wood in this argument. Even though there might be exceptions (like Mark Prior, who supposedly had amazing mechanics), at the surface this trend seems to have occurred. I welcome any evidence that supports or debunks this theory.

Comment from StevieY19
Time April 3, 2009 at 11:16 am

That does sound interesting, but let me be the first to say, not it. I look forward to reading your analysis Stormin’ Norman.

Comment from Robin Ventura
Time April 3, 2009 at 1:59 pm

I’m pretty sure that’s my blood and he just didn’t bother to wipe it off after he got me in that headlock.

Comment from Stormin’ Norman Disciple
Time April 4, 2009 at 1:29 pm

What do I look like, an accountant? Not it. Who else is there?

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