Comments on: White Sox Fans Have a Lot in Common With Helen Keller When It Comes to Ozzie http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html Thu, 10 May 2012 02:10:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kathey Pardey http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-7339 Kathey Pardey Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:13:31 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-7339 You actually make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something which I think I would never understand. It seems too complicated and extremely broad for me. I'm looking forward for your next post, I will try to get the hang of it! You actually make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something which I think I would never understand. It seems too complicated and extremely broad for me. I’m looking forward for your next post, I will try to get the hang of it!

]]> By: William Ligue, Jr. http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-685 William Ligue, Jr. Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:36:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-685 I don't see what's so wrong with the Sox, their trashiness, or Ozzie. I think he needs to be more harsh! I don’t see what’s so wrong with the Sox, their trashiness, or Ozzie. I think he needs to be more harsh!

]]> By: Anonymous http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-684 Anonymous Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:01:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-684 I don't know whats a bigger joke, the Cubs playoff performances or the guy who wrote this article. I don’t know whats a bigger joke, the Cubs playoff performances or the guy who wrote this article.

]]> By: Anonymous http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-683 Anonymous Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:55:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-683 Stormin Norman is the biggest Cubs apologist of them all...you can even tell that he is a a cubs fan by the way he talks about the Bulls and Bears. He is tolerant of losing and incompetent moves by general managers. Stormin Norman is the biggest Cubs apologist of them all…you can even tell that he is a a cubs fan by the way he talks about the Bulls and Bears. He is tolerant of losing and incompetent moves by general managers.

]]> By: Gavin http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-682 Gavin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:45:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-682 This goes to one of the commenters: How the hell do you say that Kenny Williams is a bad GM, and then in the next breath say that the Sox wouldn't have made the playoffs if it weren't for Carlos Quentin? Who brought Carlos Quentin in for table scraps? Well wouldncha know, it was KENNY WILLIAMS!<br/><br/>On another interesting note, Ozzie is simply reiterating what Kenny Williams lets his players know when he signs them. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/12/dont-like-what.html <br/><br/>I'm surprised that Stormin Norman doesn't link to his muse more often.<br/><br/>Also Stormin Norman told me 6 years ago that the biggest mistake the Sox made was getting rid of Terry Bevington. Seriously, should you trust anything out of his mouth after that kernel of wisdom? This goes to one of the commenters: How the hell do you say that Kenny Williams is a bad GM, and then in the next breath say that the Sox wouldn’t have made the playoffs if it weren’t for Carlos Quentin? Who brought Carlos Quentin in for table scraps? Well wouldncha know, it was KENNY WILLIAMS!

On another interesting note, Ozzie is simply reiterating what Kenny Williams lets his players know when he signs them. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/12/dont-like-what.html

I’m surprised that Stormin Norman doesn’t link to his muse more often.

Also Stormin Norman told me 6 years ago that the biggest mistake the Sox made was getting rid of Terry Bevington. Seriously, should you trust anything out of his mouth after that kernel of wisdom?

]]> By: Anonymous http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-681 Anonymous Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:40:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-681 Seems like the Cubs fans wanna come out and blast Ozzie and then don't like when shit is talked about their team. Boo-Hoo. Pick another team to compare to the White Sox over the past 5 years, please. There is no doubt that Ozzie and the Sox stats will hold up. Seems like the Cubs fans wanna come out and blast Ozzie and then don’t like when shit is talked about their team. Boo-Hoo. Pick another team to compare to the White Sox over the past 5 years, please. There is no doubt that Ozzie and the Sox stats will hold up.

]]> By: WorkerHelp http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-680 WorkerHelp Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:07:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-680 Let me say clearly that I am not an "anti-Cub" fan. In fact although I am a Sox fan, I can and want to enjoy their success if they have it. Had they gone to the WS this year, I would have been the first one cheering them on. This year was quite a bit better but the original post was read and clearly the real issues arise from depressed and unhappy Cub fans. Believe me, my heart goes out to all of the Cubs fans that have had their hearts broken yet again (myself included). If this blog wasn't about the Cubs, then any Chicago fan would be happy that, at least there was one winner in this city and look to the lessons of a winning team!!<br/><br/>Now, we need to go out and force the Cubs to continue to work on putting a winning product on the field. It is you Cub fans who continue to support the organization by filling the stands even when they have put an inferior product out there. Now let's keep the Cub organization on its toes and demand a winner. GO CUBS!!! Let me say clearly that I am not an “anti-Cub” fan. In fact although I am a Sox fan, I can and want to enjoy their success if they have it. Had they gone to the WS this year, I would have been the first one cheering them on. This year was quite a bit better but the original post was read and clearly the real issues arise from depressed and unhappy Cub fans. Believe me, my heart goes out to all of the Cubs fans that have had their hearts broken yet again (myself included). If this blog wasn’t about the Cubs, then any Chicago fan would be happy that, at least there was one winner in this city and look to the lessons of a winning team!!

Now, we need to go out and force the Cubs to continue to work on putting a winning product on the field. It is you Cub fans who continue to support the organization by filling the stands even when they have put an inferior product out there. Now let’s keep the Cub organization on its toes and demand a winner. GO CUBS!!!

]]> By: Rob http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-679 Rob Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:23:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-679 I half-expected a derisive gay comment somewhere in here, but picking on poor soccer moms too!?!?! Low blow man, low blow... I half-expected a derisive gay comment somewhere in here, but picking on poor soccer moms too!?!?! Low blow man, low blow…

]]> By: Stormin' Norman Disciple http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-678 Stormin' Norman Disciple Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:19:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-678 When I posted this, I was pretty sure I was writing about Ozzie and the White Sox....Looking at the comments though, it appears Sox fans are illiterate as well, since they seem to think this was about the Cubs. Read the post again guys, it's not about Lou or Soriano or Bartman. The White Sox inferiority complex is so sad... When I posted this, I was pretty sure I was writing about Ozzie and the White Sox….Looking at the comments though, it appears Sox fans are illiterate as well, since they seem to think this was about the Cubs. Read the post again guys, it’s not about Lou or Soriano or Bartman. The White Sox inferiority complex is so sad…

]]> By: StevieY19 http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-676 StevieY19 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:39:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-676 I don't see where in the post the White Sox and Ozzie are compared to the Cubs. Seems to be happening a lot in the comments.<br/><br/>You don't have to be a Cubs fan to think that Ozzie is a self-important prick that is hurting his team. I don’t see where in the post the White Sox and Ozzie are compared to the Cubs. Seems to be happening a lot in the comments.

You don’t have to be a Cubs fan to think that Ozzie is a self-important prick that is hurting his team.

]]> By: Anonymous http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-675 Anonymous Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:09:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-675 Also..the white sox payroll is significantly less than the other team in town and the number published to do not include the nearly $50 million the sox have had other teams pay over the years. For example, Javy Vasquez, Jose Contreras, and Jim Thome all had the bulk of their salaries paid by the teams they were traded from Also..the white sox payroll is significantly less than the other team in town and the number published to do not include the nearly $50 million the sox have had other teams pay over the years. For example, Javy Vasquez, Jose Contreras, and Jim Thome all had the bulk of their salaries paid by the teams they were traded from

]]> By: WorkerHelp http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-674 WorkerHelp Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:56:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-674 You make a number of good points but I must take issue with a few of them. First of all, one person doesn't make the total difference, even the manager (although need I remind you about Dusty Baker). It takes team members and the entire organization; from top to bottom. True in 2005, the Sox had a great power hitting team but they also had a number of different dimensions like grinder ball (or small ball). What this did was allow the Sox to win a lot of different ways. When the bats went silent, the runners and lack of errors came through. In fact the continual ability to make things happen lead to wins with or without the homers. When the bats were hot, more runs scored and when they weren't enough scored to win. Then the pitching was outstanding.<br/><br/>Most important though was the fact that that team won when they needed to -- down the stretch. They did whatever was needed to win when it counted most (unlike this year's Cubs). Now let's talk about managing for a minute. No doubt, Ozzie's style is a bit over the top but he has been able to get the most out of his players for awhile now. And he had the guts to make hard decisions like pulling players when they weren't performing. In 2005, Dusty Hermanson was tagged to be their closer at the beginning of the season but when he got injured and didn't perform, they turned to a little known kid (with a history of "head problems")named Bobby Jenks. And for a guy who bashes players, he really stuck with Damaso Marte through thick and thin.<br/><br/>Another note; the statistics you quote are a bit inaccurate. For the 3 year period of 2006, 2007, and 2008, the White Sox had a 251 and 236 record (51.5%) The Cubbies on the other hand had a 248 and 237record (51.1%). And if you add 2005, then the Sox had a 350 and 299 record (54%) and the Cubbies had a 327 and 320 record (50.5%). Note that I am giving you the .5% just to even it up a bit.<br/><br/>Finally, you are right that players who left have complained about Ozzie and maybe they had some justification but no one seems to leave the Cubs. They may not complain but they don't produce either (aka Mr. Soriano, Mr. Fukodome). You make a number of good points but I must take issue with a few of them. First of all, one person doesn’t make the total difference, even the manager (although need I remind you about Dusty Baker). It takes team members and the entire organization; from top to bottom. True in 2005, the Sox had a great power hitting team but they also had a number of different dimensions like grinder ball (or small ball). What this did was allow the Sox to win a lot of different ways. When the bats went silent, the runners and lack of errors came through. In fact the continual ability to make things happen lead to wins with or without the homers. When the bats were hot, more runs scored and when they weren’t enough scored to win. Then the pitching was outstanding.

Most important though was the fact that that team won when they needed to — down the stretch. They did whatever was needed to win when it counted most (unlike this year’s Cubs). Now let’s talk about managing for a minute. No doubt, Ozzie’s style is a bit over the top but he has been able to get the most out of his players for awhile now. And he had the guts to make hard decisions like pulling players when they weren’t performing. In 2005, Dusty Hermanson was tagged to be their closer at the beginning of the season but when he got injured and didn’t perform, they turned to a little known kid (with a history of “head problems”)named Bobby Jenks. And for a guy who bashes players, he really stuck with Damaso Marte through thick and thin.

Another note; the statistics you quote are a bit inaccurate. For the 3 year period of 2006, 2007, and 2008, the White Sox had a 251 and 236 record (51.5%) The Cubbies on the other hand had a 248 and 237record (51.1%). And if you add 2005, then the Sox had a 350 and 299 record (54%) and the Cubbies had a 327 and 320 record (50.5%). Note that I am giving you the .5% just to even it up a bit.

Finally, you are right that players who left have complained about Ozzie and maybe they had some justification but no one seems to leave the Cubs. They may not complain but they don’t produce either (aka Mr. Soriano, Mr. Fukodome).

]]> By: Anonymous http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-673 Anonymous Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:37:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-673 As a Sox fan I must completely agree with the Cubs fans posts on this board. I can't believe i was blind for so long. Ozzie gets pissed and pressures players to win and if they aren't committed to winning then he bashes them. What the fuck is his problem!!! Baseball is not about winning...its about watching overpaid players underachieve, soccer moms and gays drinking beer in the sun, and the village people singing "take me out to the ballgame." As a Sox fan I must completely agree with the Cubs fans posts on this board. I can’t believe i was blind for so long. Ozzie gets pissed and pressures players to win and if they aren’t committed to winning then he bashes them. What the fuck is his problem!!! Baseball is not about winning…its about watching overpaid players underachieve, soccer moms and gays drinking beer in the sun, and the village people singing “take me out to the ballgame.”

]]> By: S2H http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-672 S2H Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:25:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-672 Great post Stormin'. Ozzie's fear tactics will never lead them to another World Series. I could not disagree more with the commenter that says Kenny Williams is a good GM. They didn't have 1 player hit over .300 on their team this year, and if it wasn't for Carlos Quentin coming out of no where there is no chance the Sox make the playoffs, even in that division. I don't know what the Cubs have to do with this either.<br/><br/>I suggest you save this post for the fall when the Sox fans are calling for Ozzie's and Kenny's head. Great post Stormin’. Ozzie’s fear tactics will never lead them to another World Series. I could not disagree more with the commenter that says Kenny Williams is a good GM. They didn’t have 1 player hit over .300 on their team this year, and if it wasn’t for Carlos Quentin coming out of no where there is no chance the Sox make the playoffs, even in that division. I don’t know what the Cubs have to do with this either.

I suggest you save this post for the fall when the Sox fans are calling for Ozzie’s and Kenny’s head.

]]> By: StevieY19 http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html/comment-page-1#comment-671 StevieY19 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:16:00 +0000 http://nqtc.givemetherock.com/2008/12/white-sox-fans-have-a-lot-in-common-with-helen-keller-when-it-comes-to-ozzie.html#comment-671 I'm not sure anyone knows how to answer your last question. I’m not sure anyone knows how to answer your last question.

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